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B"H I finally finished it (Yisrael Saba). I started it last year, got through almost half and then put it down until three weeks ago when I picked it up again. One of, if not the, most amazing books I've ever read. I plan on starting again from the beginning.
I had forgotten that Saba says he received 2 letters from Rabbeinu. He says that the second one is "the Petek" that we know. I wonder about the first letter. Do we know anything more about it than what it says in Yisrael Saba?
He also says near the end of the book that Rabbainu said that he (Rabbainu)is the manhig amiti of the Jewish people for all generations and it doesn't stop (top pf pg. 531). Do you know where Rabbainu says this?
Saba also says that Rabbainu said that he gives Hashem eitzos (top of pg. 529). Do you know where Rabbainu says this?
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This is something I can't get into, the whole tanya issue. Rav himself testified of a student of his that he was a tzadik gummur, and it takes one to know one, so what he meant that he is a beynoni, obviously has a deeper meaning, which I can't starting looking into now.
The concept that the real leader has to completely clean of even the trace of desire in order to be a real leader is in Likutay Moharan.
As far as Sabba being leader, first of all I don't know where you got that from, and if he was maybe it was only after he was completely clean, and even if he was some type of leader before that he wasn't in the capacity of the Tzadik, he was merely showing the ways of Rabbainu the way he knew them.
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Even as you write these things, these rabbis prevent you and deter you from being completely loyal to Rabbainu....
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A couple of years ago, a chassidish friend of mine and former co-worker (he is a talmid and nephew of the Ungvarer Rav) told me the following when I voiced to him some questions I had about the Lubavitcher Rebbe regarding his form of messianism. My friend thought I was criticizing a tzadik and talmid chacham. So he taught me the following:
In listing the categories of those who are deprived of their share in the World to Come, the Mishnah (Sanhedrin 90a) includes an apikoros. Commenting on the mishnah, Rebbi and Rabbi Chanina (Sanhedrin 99b) define an apikoros as one who is mevazeh (denigrates) a talmid chacham and Rambam codifies (Hilchot Talmud Torah 6:11) that a person who denigrates a talmid chacham is
denied a share in the World to Come.
My friend REALLY scared me with this, so for the past couple of years I tried to be very careful about not letting any criticisms of any Jewish leader pass my lips.
But now, on the other hand, I see there is a very important need to warn people about MSS as Saba did. These two mitzvos seem to be at odds with eachother. I don't want to fall into being mevazeh a talmid chacham, but on the other hand, I want to believe what Saba said (even if I don't understand it myself). I have always had the highest respect and admiration for Rav Shach, for example, but now I have a problem on my hands.
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Welcome to life.
Na Nach Nachma Nachman MayUman!
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Saba says in Yisrael
Saba that there's nobody that can be a leader totally le'sheim shamayim today.
What kind of leaders does he mean? We need people to be cheder and yeshiva
teachers. They are leaders. What about shuls and communities- don't we need
somebody to be the posek? A posek of a community is a leader. There are poskim
who are worldwide poskim like Reb Moshe Feinstein was. He was a leader. We need
all of these types of leaders. So what kind of leaders should we not have
today?
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There are no straight
parameters, Saba said "there are no big and small, we are all
friends" obviously one has to respect his parents, stand up for the elder,
etc. but when a person starts taking special status, especially for advice, the
advice should be only friendly council, and pure Rabbainu. In all these things
one just has to use his own senses. Someone just told me about a Rabbi that
while
giving a speech, motioned to someone to pure him his drink, there's a mss who I saw has people accompanying him even when he goes to the bathroom. The worst however is when they give advice that isn't completely Rabbainu.
giving a speech, motioned to someone to pure him his drink, there's a mss who I saw has people accompanying him even when he goes to the bathroom. The worst however is when they give advice that isn't completely Rabbainu.
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What is the relationship between Rabbi Nachman and
Moshiach, before and after Moshiach comes?
At times in Yisrael Saba and in Ibei Hanachal Saba seems to
be saying that they are really the same person somehow (spiritually?) or that
Rabbi Nachman is even greater than Moshiach.
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Who the Messiah is I have no idea, B"H, today largely
due to chabad sheker everyone thinks meshiach is a joke, who he is, when,
c"v he could be dead..... Meshiach doesn't need our conjecture or our help
(just for us to do teshuva and rutzon H"Y). Rabbainu says that everyone
has a nekudas Mushiach. When one reaches "geula prutis" – on a personal
level he completely redeemed himself, this is something that real tzadikim like
Rabbi Yisroel Karduner and Saba achieved. Saba said Meshiach will be a talmid
of Rabbainu, which I understand to mean that he will have developed and matured
in avodas Hashem by learning and fulfilling the Torah of Rabbainu, I believe
that through this the Mushiach will achieve a higher status, as Rabbainu said
that there was a difference between himself and the Mushiach, that people don't
necessarily listen to him, but Mushiach they will listen to...
Remember that Rabbainu left us a very clear prophecy that
the Messiah will be brought by simple Jews who are reciting Tehilim. It is not
our job to know more than what we are ready for. B"H every generation has hidden
tzadikim and we have full belief that they exist and that they are followers of
Rabbainu, but it is not our responsibility to know who they are and about them,
B"H they know what they are doing....
Nanach gives us the focus and the lock-on to the Emess of Rabbainu, without Nanach people have no true idea of what they are doing in the world.
Nanach gives us the focus and the lock-on to the Emess of Rabbainu, without Nanach people have no true idea of what they are doing in the world.
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You wrote: "Nanach gives us the focus and the lock-on
to the Emess of Rabbainu, without Nanach people have no true idea of what they
are doing in the world."
How, why? I mammash don't understand.
How, why? I mammash don't understand.
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Very good question, I also am amazed by this, the world is able to fool everyone!!! Why??? Isn't it so obvious that H"Y created it, and obviously he gave us real tzadikim, and obviously there are ways that
we can really serve Him etc. etc. So how come without Nanach people get stuck and just can't figure this out?! Nanach is the tzadik, as long as people don't accept the real tzadik, then they can't see the emess.
Very good question, I also am amazed by this, the world is able to fool everyone!!! Why??? Isn't it so obvious that H"Y created it, and obviously he gave us real tzadikim, and obviously there are ways that
we can really serve Him etc. etc. So how come without Nanach people get stuck and just can't figure this out?! Nanach is the tzadik, as long as people don't accept the real tzadik, then they can't see the emess.
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You said that Nanach is the tzadik. Don't all Breslovers
(even not-Nanach) say this? If they don't, then what is the difference between
Nanach and other Breslovers?
Also, are you saying that every Jew must be Nanach in order to be a real Torah Jew? If you say yes, when was the last time in Jewish history that Hashem expected every Jew to be the same and to follow the same derech in avodas Hashem?
Also, are you saying that every Jew must be Nanach in order to be a real Torah Jew? If you say yes, when was the last time in Jewish history that Hashem expected every Jew to be the same and to follow the same derech in avodas Hashem?
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There is a tendency in the world, based on the yetzer hura
to sink.... Like Rabbainu himself said, there were great tzadikim in the world
who did great things but there movements died, Rabbainu said that he was going
to start something that would constantly revitalize. The other "Breslovers"
already made peace with themselves. They are trying to be what the world
considers normal. Most of them believe in the
mefursamim, even the few who will deny this are not clean, in their hearts they still have high regard for the world’s standards. If in fact they are Breslov and do not consider the worlds opinion, it's hard to imagine that such a person would not be kind of Nanach. Nanach is the real Rabbainu...
Rabbainu is our Moshe Rabbainu, who shows every Jew their very own unique way in Avodas Hashem (see Likutay Moharan 4), no 2 Nanachs have the same Avoda, and this is mamash the opposite of your "accusation", because it is the rest of the world that try to make their communities into monkey's, where as the Nanach is the fight of individuality.
mefursamim, even the few who will deny this are not clean, in their hearts they still have high regard for the world’s standards. If in fact they are Breslov and do not consider the worlds opinion, it's hard to imagine that such a person would not be kind of Nanach. Nanach is the real Rabbainu...
Rabbainu is our Moshe Rabbainu, who shows every Jew their very own unique way in Avodas Hashem (see Likutay Moharan 4), no 2 Nanachs have the same Avoda, and this is mamash the opposite of your "accusation", because it is the rest of the world that try to make their communities into monkey's, where as the Nanach is the fight of individuality.
Q:
In your last answer, can you please clarify what you meant
by “peace with themselves”, “world” and “Nanach is the real Rabbainu”?
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Peace with themselves: Rabbainu said that there is a big
problem with the Rabbis - they grow old - take a look at at Torah 60. You
should really read up on all that Rabbainu says about the mefursamim before we
have this conversation. In Likutay Nanach I bring some of the places.
What the world wants to see: See Chayay Moharan I think 422, on the verse מלכה ושריה בגוים - if you google it (something like חיי מוהר"ן מלכה ושריה בגוים אין תורה) you'll see it quoted in my Likutay Nanach - and then you could read up more on it.
world: means what people think and say.
Nanach is the real Rabbainu: When people say Hashem, they haven't a very good comprehension of who Hashem Y' is, and often they are merely referring to an extension of themselves, after all who's to tell them wrong. Same with Rabbainu, people can call themselves Breslov, which is nice, but they don't go through with what Rabbainu wanted. They go to rabbis, don't even try to get up for chatzos.... Where as Na Nach doesn't let a person do that so easily, Nanach has a quality that forces a person to confront Rabbainu himself.
What the world wants to see: See Chayay Moharan I think 422, on the verse מלכה ושריה בגוים - if you google it (something like חיי מוהר"ן מלכה ושריה בגוים אין תורה) you'll see it quoted in my Likutay Nanach - and then you could read up more on it.
world: means what people think and say.
Nanach is the real Rabbainu: When people say Hashem, they haven't a very good comprehension of who Hashem Y' is, and often they are merely referring to an extension of themselves, after all who's to tell them wrong. Same with Rabbainu, people can call themselves Breslov, which is nice, but they don't go through with what Rabbainu wanted. They go to rabbis, don't even try to get up for chatzos.... Where as Na Nach doesn't let a person do that so easily, Nanach has a quality that forces a person to confront Rabbainu himself.
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Thanks. I'll do some more reading on the subject.
You wrote: "Nanach has a quality that forces a person to confront Rabbainu himself." I would love to know what this quality is.
You wrote: "Nanach has a quality that forces a person to confront Rabbainu himself." I would love to know what this quality is.
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The more you Nanach the more you'll experience the quality
first hand!
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Isn't the ikkar the sefarim of Rabbeinu? Shouldn't this be
all we need? Why the need for Nanach on top of it?
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Nanach is Rabbainu! Rabbainu is more important than all his
sforim....
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You said that Nanach is Rabbainu which is more important
than all his seforim.
I'm asking what the definition of Nanach is. Where is Nanach? How do I find it? Where do I look for it?
I'm asking what the definition of Nanach is. Where is Nanach? How do I find it? Where do I look for it?
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The more you learn about Rabbainu, the more you will find
out about Nanach. And obviously you can study straight up about the shir hageula,
Rabbainu has a few Torah's about it as well, and then there's
the study of the Petek, and what Saba said about it.
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the study of the Petek, and what Saba said about it.
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You said the Rabbainu is the Moshe Rabbainu of our
generation. Doesn't a Moshe Rabbainu of the dor have to be someone who has not
passed away? Are there any sources for this idea that someone who was niftar
can be the Moshe Rabbainu of the dor? (I'm sure you know, that Chabad says the
same thing about their rebbe.)
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The Arizal before he passed away forbade his students from
learning his Torah, they cried to him, and he told them that whoever was zoche he
would come to them and teach them.
In Breslov Rabbainu was always considered to be the Tzadik Hadur, it's not something that the Nanach made up. (Chabad is sheker, especially on this issue).
In Breslov Rabbainu was always considered to be the Tzadik Hadur, it's not something that the Nanach made up. (Chabad is sheker, especially on this issue).
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I have a question on Yisrael Saba. In the chapter Eretz
Yisrael he says there is no tikun for the umos but in the chapter Maala min
Hateva he says there is a tikun even for them. How can we reconcile this? Does
he say anything in a different place that reconciles it?
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Also sometimes he said Nanach is not for goyim, other times
he said even for goyim. Seems to depend on the circumstances, in Likutay Nanach
I touch on this. Check out last weeks parsha on verse 19:5 Rashi says the goyim
are considered as nothing, where as the Sforno goes out of his way to argue...
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Saba says that
Rabbainu said that we need to be bound to the Kitzur Shulchan Aruch. Wasn't
this sefer written near the end of the 1800's by R' Shlomo Ganzfried? So, I'm
not sure what Saba meant by this. Unless what he meant by "kitzur" is
that we should learn at least one sif every day.
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We should be
bound to the shulchan aruch, and if a person is only capable of learning the
kitzur, than he should be bound to that.
Q:
Saba says: "all the goyim will become Jews
(convert)". What does this mean?
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For things like this it is important to see the original
Hebrew and I can't really start searching for it now. Let's assume that Saba
said "יתיהדו", which can very readily be translated as they will be
come Jewish, but it doesn't necessarily mean they will convert. Just like you
find anglicized....
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Where in Lekutei Moharan does it say that someone who
doesn't have emunah is not a ben adam but a chamor? Saba says this a few times
and says it's from Lekutei Moharan.
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Probably referring to Torah vol. 2 Torah 7 letter 4.
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I got up to the part where Saba speaks about Rav Yosef Chaim
Sonnenfeld and how he was mechabeid Breslov and Rav Wexler in particular and
how he had read Rabbainu's books. One of my all time favorite books is Gaurdian
of Jerusalem about Rav Sonnenfeld. I fell in love with the book and with Rav
Sonnenfeld many years ago. Saba doesn't refer to him or to the Chafetz Chaim as
MSS, c"v. My question is: even though they were spiritual giants they
didn't become followers of Rabbainu and promote his teachings (at least not in
a public way). So why were they not in the bechinah of MSS, c"v? The same
question applies to Rav Alapandri and Rav Mutel of Slonim.
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They definitely do fall into the category. the exception of
Rav Alapandri who came from a different background and wasn't really exposed
properly to Breslov until he met Saba, and he accepted it, even still and even
tried to help Saba, even still he wasn't really zoche to have a real portion in
Rabbainu.
This issue is discussed in Likutay Nanach.
This issue is discussed in Likutay Nanach.
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B"H I finally finished it (Yisrael Saba). I started it last year, got through almost half and then put it down until three weeks ago when I picked it up again. One of, if not the, most amazing books I've ever read. I plan on starting again from the beginning.
I had forgotten that Saba says he received 2 letters from Rabbeinu. He says that the second one is "the Petek" that we know. I wonder about the first letter. Do we know anything more about it than what it says in Yisrael Saba?
He also says near the end of the book that Rabbainu said that he (Rabbainu)is the manhig amiti of the Jewish people for all generations and it doesn't stop (top pf pg. 531). Do you know where Rabbainu says this?
Saba also says that Rabbainu said that he gives Hashem eitzos (top of pg. 529). Do you know where Rabbainu says this?
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There is no question about it, Yisroel Saba is one of the
most amazing books in history. The English one was censored, and the Hebrew
isn't 100%, but even still it holds true. B"H right now I'm working on a
better composition.
Saba spoke of more than 2 letters, one of the letters he says he saw in a dream, I don't know too much more about them. Except that Saba said that it said "זמן הגאולה קרוב מאד" but Saba said 200 years is also קרוב מאד....
Rabbainu being the leader of our generation is the Breslov tradition,it's probably based on what Rabbainu said that a novelty such as himself will not be until the Messiah, but regardless this was the known tradition until about 40 years ago when Breslov started sprouting rabbis touting honor etc..
Regarding Rabbainu giving H"Y advice, this is a Chazal, e.g. Chazal say that before H"Y created the world he consulted the souls of the Tzadikim (Rabbainu in Torah 17, I think, has this include all the souls of Israel). Also in written tradition from kenig, Rabbainu told Rabbi Shimon Bar Yochai explicitly that before the creation of the world he guaranteed to H"Y that he would bring the Jews to repent).
Saba spoke of more than 2 letters, one of the letters he says he saw in a dream, I don't know too much more about them. Except that Saba said that it said "זמן הגאולה קרוב מאד" but Saba said 200 years is also קרוב מאד....
Rabbainu being the leader of our generation is the Breslov tradition,it's probably based on what Rabbainu said that a novelty such as himself will not be until the Messiah, but regardless this was the known tradition until about 40 years ago when Breslov started sprouting rabbis touting honor etc..
Regarding Rabbainu giving H"Y advice, this is a Chazal, e.g. Chazal say that before H"Y created the world he consulted the souls of the Tzadikim (Rabbainu in Torah 17, I think, has this include all the souls of Israel). Also in written tradition from kenig, Rabbainu told Rabbi Shimon Bar Yochai explicitly that before the creation of the world he guaranteed to H"Y that he would bring the Jews to repent).
Q:
I don't recall seeing
the name Rabbi Moshe Klears in Yisrael Saba. Where did you find this name?
A:
This is from a different transcript - a book called SIchos
Metoch Chaya Hasaba which is much more accurate and also without censor.
Q:
I read online that Nanachs only consider someone a leader
if he no longer has a drop of ra in him. The Tanya says that Rava (or Rabba
maybe) considered himself a beinoni which means he still had a drop of ra and
yet he was the leader of the entire Jewish people. Likewise, Saba said that he
didn't completely destroy all of his ra until much later in his life, but
wasn't he still a leader even before that?
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This is something I can't get into, the whole tanya issue. Rav himself testified of a student of his that he was a tzadik gummur, and it takes one to know one, so what he meant that he is a beynoni, obviously has a deeper meaning, which I can't starting looking into now.
The concept that the real leader has to completely clean of even the trace of desire in order to be a real leader is in Likutay Moharan.
As far as Sabba being leader, first of all I don't know where you got that from, and if he was maybe it was only after he was completely clean, and even if he was some type of leader before that he wasn't in the capacity of the Tzadik, he was merely showing the ways of Rabbainu the way he knew them.
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What about for example Rav Ahron the Rav of Breslov. Was he
in a position of leadership?
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But he wasn't their "tzadik"
Q:
One might think that saying Nanach includes and therefore
makes unnecessary saying of Tikun HaKlali. But it doesn't. Could you explain
why Tikun HaKlali is still needed even after Na Nach has been revealed?
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The truth is for years I just said Nanach. Saba said explicitly that he doesn't need Tikun Haklali, but he always needed Nanach. In the prayer before the Tikun Haklali (which is extracted from the prayer after) it says that the whole Tikun Haklali is just to arouse the song which is single, double etc., so the main thing is Nanach. Even still Saba said there is the concept of saying Psalms, so I say the Tikun Haklali nowadays as was the custom in Breslov to say it every day.
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The truth is for years I just said Nanach. Saba said explicitly that he doesn't need Tikun Haklali, but he always needed Nanach. In the prayer before the Tikun Haklali (which is extracted from the prayer after) it says that the whole Tikun Haklali is just to arouse the song which is single, double etc., so the main thing is Nanach. Even still Saba said there is the concept of saying Psalms, so I say the Tikun Haklali nowadays as was the custom in Breslov to say it every day.
Q:
In the Petek the word
pay-tzadi...is it written at the end of this name yud-kay or yud- hay? I can't
tell if it’s a kuf or a hay.
A:
Unfortunately I'm not
an expert on the lettering of the Petek, but I have always taken for granted
that it is Y"H, and I never heard any other version, even when I discuss
it with people who are expert.
Q:
How do you see Rabbainu's
name pashut, kaful, meshulash, meruba in the Shir Naim? I can't seem to figure
out the pattern in Shir Naim.
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Me neither, maybe I can stretch it, but I never came to a completely satisfactory conclusion. On the contrary it seems to prove to me that this is more of an indication that Rabbi Nussun new more about Nanach than he was able to reveal, and maybe that's also why Rabbainu didn't complete the poem in the fashion we are looking for, because the time still had not come to completely reveal it.
Me neither, maybe I can stretch it, but I never came to a completely satisfactory conclusion. On the contrary it seems to prove to me that this is more of an indication that Rabbi Nussun new more about Nanach than he was able to reveal, and maybe that's also why Rabbainu didn't complete the poem in the fashion we are looking for, because the time still had not come to completely reveal it.
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Did you ever read Guardian of Jerusalem (or the original Hebrew book Ish al haChomah)?
Nobody will ever be able to shake my belief that Rav Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld and the Chafetz Chaim were great men. Neither of them were into honor seeking or money. And Rav Yosef Chaim didn't let anyone think he was Moshiach. They were servents of Hashem just like Rav Alapandri was. So, for me there is no denying they were great men. They weren't zoche to find Rabbainu, but they were extremely great men. They were moser nefesh for Hashem and for the Jewish people.
I don't believe they were opponents of Breslov. According to Yisrael Saba, Rav Sonnenfeld highly respected Breslov.
Rabbainu was a tzaddik emes. But Rav Sonnenfeld and the Chafetz Chaim were still great men.
I don't think Saba blamed Rav Moshe Feinstein for not becoming Breslov because he said that Rav Moshe "was already on his path". Same thing with Rav Sonnenfeld and the Chafetz Chaim. They weren't raised Chassidic and they believed their path was emes from dor le'dor.
Saba says that Rabbainu taught us to find the "nekudot tovot even in MSS". So, kal v'chomer, in great men like Rav Sonnenfeld and the Chafetz Chaim who were not even opposers.
So I believe that a person can be an Adam Gadol even if he's not a Tzaddik Emes.
I am very open to hear what you think even if you disagree with me.
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Did you ever read Guardian of Jerusalem (or the original Hebrew book Ish al haChomah)?
Nobody will ever be able to shake my belief that Rav Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld and the Chafetz Chaim were great men. Neither of them were into honor seeking or money. And Rav Yosef Chaim didn't let anyone think he was Moshiach. They were servents of Hashem just like Rav Alapandri was. So, for me there is no denying they were great men. They weren't zoche to find Rabbainu, but they were extremely great men. They were moser nefesh for Hashem and for the Jewish people.
I don't believe they were opponents of Breslov. According to Yisrael Saba, Rav Sonnenfeld highly respected Breslov.
Rabbainu was a tzaddik emes. But Rav Sonnenfeld and the Chafetz Chaim were still great men.
I don't think Saba blamed Rav Moshe Feinstein for not becoming Breslov because he said that Rav Moshe "was already on his path". Same thing with Rav Sonnenfeld and the Chafetz Chaim. They weren't raised Chassidic and they believed their path was emes from dor le'dor.
Saba says that Rabbainu taught us to find the "nekudot tovot even in MSS". So, kal v'chomer, in great men like Rav Sonnenfeld and the Chafetz Chaim who were not even opposers.
So I believe that a person can be an Adam Gadol even if he's not a Tzaddik Emes.
I am very open to hear what you think even if you disagree with me.
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Even as you write these things, these rabbis prevent you and deter you from being completely loyal to Rabbainu....
Q:
I hear you. I need to
read the section in Lekutei Nanach again that deals with this.
You once said that Rav
Alapandri was different because of his background. Rav Sonnenfeld and the
Chafetz Chaim and even Rav Kook and Rav Feinstein all came from non-chassidic
backgrounds. They just went in the non-chassidic path of their fathers (v'al
titosh toras imecha). How is Rav Alapandri different, he was made aware of
Breslov through Saba?
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Even R. Alapandri, he didn't exactly mivatel himself to
Rabbainu, but from what I understand he was definitely living according to the
inner Torah (as opposed to the other rabbis you mentioned who were following systems
based on the revealed/covered Torah) which means that he was really trying to
live the Emes. This is why I can't see Saba asking to be mishamesh the other
Rabbis (which couldn't have happened anyways because they were more like his
age, but say their Rebbes...) – for all their tzidkus they were not pursuing a
path in Avodas Hashem based on pneymius, especially when from their background
they were exposed to Breslov and have to answer to that [you have to understand
that the
Alapandri was on a different league than the other rabbis you mention, completely. The munkachaver rebbe, who in my mind - for whatever that's worth - was much greater than all the rabbis you mentioned -
had complete and total bitul to the Alapandri and sacrificed of himself just to see him]. The Alpandris's finding out about Rabbainu wasn't just an occurence, obviously he earned it, and at his madraige
and age, it is hard for us to know how much he accepted, he couldn't exactly start running out to fields at midnight, and at his age and madreige he was certainly already running to the fields every night at
midnight in the ways of holiness outlined in the holy books. At his madreige he could probably learn everything that we have published from Rabbainu in a matter of minutes, and we have no way to gauge the importance he would give them, how much he would concentrate and commit himself to be governed by Rabbainu. He did fight for Saba in a way that is stronger than R' Moshe, for he actually confronted the
other rabbis, and also bear in mind that Saba was only a young man then. However the fact remains, that even the Alapandri is not a person that we are really basing our Avodas Hashem....
Alapandri was on a different league than the other rabbis you mention, completely. The munkachaver rebbe, who in my mind - for whatever that's worth - was much greater than all the rabbis you mentioned -
had complete and total bitul to the Alapandri and sacrificed of himself just to see him]. The Alpandris's finding out about Rabbainu wasn't just an occurence, obviously he earned it, and at his madraige
and age, it is hard for us to know how much he accepted, he couldn't exactly start running out to fields at midnight, and at his age and madreige he was certainly already running to the fields every night at
midnight in the ways of holiness outlined in the holy books. At his madreige he could probably learn everything that we have published from Rabbainu in a matter of minutes, and we have no way to gauge the importance he would give them, how much he would concentrate and commit himself to be governed by Rabbainu. He did fight for Saba in a way that is stronger than R' Moshe, for he actually confronted the
other rabbis, and also bear in mind that Saba was only a young man then. However the fact remains, that even the Alapandri is not a person that we are really basing our Avodas Hashem....
Q:
Thank you. I have a better understanding now. I do think
it's possible that some of these rabbis I mentioned learned kabbalah. I think
it mentions this in the book about R' Sonnenfeld that he studied with a
Sefardic rav (I think his name is also in the book). I wouldn't be surprised if
the Chafetz Chaim learned kabbalah. Doesn't he quote the Arizal in the Mishneh
Berurah? He was probably familiar with the kabbalah of the Arizal and the Gra.
A:
A:
These rabbis learned a little Kabbala, but that was not
their main interest, and even the Kabbala isn't exactly real
"pneymiyos", the question is how much they were complete open and
basing themselves to find the most deepest truth. The culture and tradition of
the ones you mentioned simply does not allow for it, it might allow for them
not to oppose Breslov etc., but it doesn't allow for them to actually begin to
pursue the complete truth.
The Alapandri was famous for being disgusted by most of the Rabbis, you can see e.g. that Slunim brags and boasts that the Alapandri gave their admur a little respect.... R' Shmuel Horowitz writes a little of this in his Yemay Shmuel.
Take e.g. R' Muttel (Mordechai) Slunimer, who brought Saba up, he had a photographic memory and was also a big lamdan and tzadik, he witnessed firsthand miracles - like when after arguing with Saba his house burned down, and Saba testified that R' Muttel accepted the Petek and took down any opposition to Breslov - OK that was a lot in one sentence, Saba said that the famous world renown Rabbi of Teveria,
R' Klears (when I was a child my grandfather would speak of him....) Saba said all his learning was child's play for R' Mottel. Now R' Muttel continues to become the admur of Slunim, and by him and his hasidim it's as if Rabbainu never was - and Slunim is from the stronger opponents against Breslov to this day.
So you can get a picture of how even big tzadikim, people we don't really have comprehension of what their avoda was at all, simply missed the mark, H"Y.
The Alapandri was famous for being disgusted by most of the Rabbis, you can see e.g. that Slunim brags and boasts that the Alapandri gave their admur a little respect.... R' Shmuel Horowitz writes a little of this in his Yemay Shmuel.
Take e.g. R' Muttel (Mordechai) Slunimer, who brought Saba up, he had a photographic memory and was also a big lamdan and tzadik, he witnessed firsthand miracles - like when after arguing with Saba his house burned down, and Saba testified that R' Muttel accepted the Petek and took down any opposition to Breslov - OK that was a lot in one sentence, Saba said that the famous world renown Rabbi of Teveria,
R' Klears (when I was a child my grandfather would speak of him....) Saba said all his learning was child's play for R' Mottel. Now R' Muttel continues to become the admur of Slunim, and by him and his hasidim it's as if Rabbainu never was - and Slunim is from the stronger opponents against Breslov to this day.
So you can get a picture of how even big tzadikim, people we don't really have comprehension of what their avoda was at all, simply missed the mark, H"Y.
Q:
Thank you! Did the Munkatcher Rebbe have a relationship
with Breslov?
A:
Not sure, but in some ways they come the closest to Breslov
– but without Rabbainu it is impossible to call this close at all!
Q:
Rabbainu Tam tefillin- A
good thing? A very good thing? An extremely necessary thing?
A:
The mesora in Breslov is that from Bar Mitzva everyone puts on Rabbainu Tam. Rabbi Nussun in Likutay Halachos explains why it is so important, in our times, to do this.
The mesora in Breslov is that from Bar Mitzva everyone puts on Rabbainu Tam. Rabbi Nussun in Likutay Halachos explains why it is so important, in our times, to do this.
Q:
A couple of years ago, a chassidish friend of mine and former co-worker (he is a talmid and nephew of the Ungvarer Rav) told me the following when I voiced to him some questions I had about the Lubavitcher Rebbe regarding his form of messianism. My friend thought I was criticizing a tzadik and talmid chacham. So he taught me the following:
In listing the categories of those who are deprived of their share in the World to Come, the Mishnah (Sanhedrin 90a) includes an apikoros. Commenting on the mishnah, Rebbi and Rabbi Chanina (Sanhedrin 99b) define an apikoros as one who is mevazeh (denigrates) a talmid chacham and Rambam codifies (Hilchot Talmud Torah 6:11) that a person who denigrates a talmid chacham is
denied a share in the World to Come.
My friend REALLY scared me with this, so for the past couple of years I tried to be very careful about not letting any criticisms of any Jewish leader pass my lips.
But now, on the other hand, I see there is a very important need to warn people about MSS as Saba did. These two mitzvos seem to be at odds with eachother. I don't want to fall into being mevazeh a talmid chacham, but on the other hand, I want to believe what Saba said (even if I don't understand it myself). I have always had the highest respect and admiration for Rav Shach, for example, but now I have a problem on my hands.
A:
Welcome to life.
Q:
Why do you think the last 4 lines
slant downwards?
A:
No idea.
Saba pointed out that the words לרדת אליך are slanted down, as they actually mean going down.
Q:
No idea.
Saba pointed out that the words לרדת אליך are slanted down, as they actually mean going down.
Q:
You said that if a person has a shaila, he can ask anybody
who knows as long as the one he's asking is not after cavod. But Saba says that
all of the rabbanim are after pirsum, cavod v'kesef. If so, then who's left to
ask a shaila to?
A:
A:
Probably the reason I said not to ask a person who's after
Kavod, is just so that you do not violate what Rabbainu warned not to give the charlatan
rabbis any recognition or honor, but in general, unless the question is
political I believe anyone. E.g. you don't know what bracha to make on an a
coconut, so ask anyone, what's the big deal. On Friday by the Rashbi I was
telling everyone how I ask Google all my sheilos.... and then I thought that maybe
someone who would be "moreh halacha lifney google" would be
chayav....we all had a good laugh, and I'm developing the idea B"H.
There are questions that are just a matter of knowing the answer, and there are questions that are political. The political questions, usually are completely contingent on who you ask, so ultimately you have to decide for yourself, there are no shortcuts out of hisbodidus.
Q:
Do we find anywhere that Rabbainu or Reb Nussen complained that the tzaddikim of Rabbainu's day such as the Berditchever and the Baal HaTanya did not nullify themselves to him? If they knew who Rabbainu was, and I think they did, then how can they be considered tzaddikim amitiim and not a bechinah of MSS, c"v, if they promoted themselves above Rabbainu? Were there any super famous tzaddikim of the caliber of the two mentioned above that nullfied themselves to Rabbainu?
A:
Thought I addressed this in Likutay Nanach.
Even though Rabbainu referred to the Berdichever as the "Pe'er Hador" it was known in Breslov - and Saba says - if he would have been zoche he would have abnegated himself to Rabbainu as Rabbi Nussun.
Rabbainu said that the only tzadik that he saw "shlaimus" (perfection) by him was the R' Avrohom Kalisker - from Tiberias, who wanted to have the tanya put in geniza. The Kalisker had complete and utter respect for Rabbainu and there are stories related about this in the holy books. Whereas on the Baal Hatanya, Rabbainu referred to him as being a "Saar HuElef" master of 1000 souls, but he also strongly criticized him in the story of "רחמיך רבים ה".
There are stories of the Magid of Koznitz being mishamesh Rabbainu on his death day, and also there's a story of R' Naftoli Rupshitzer visiting Rabbainu - and there's supposedly a short mention of Rabbainu's Torah that he heard then in his book Zera Kodesh.
There's a book "Shivcho Shel Tzadik" that goes through all the famous rabbis trying to find Nekudos Tovos from all of them in how they upheld Rabbainu.
Q:
There are questions that are just a matter of knowing the answer, and there are questions that are political. The political questions, usually are completely contingent on who you ask, so ultimately you have to decide for yourself, there are no shortcuts out of hisbodidus.
Q:
Do we find anywhere that Rabbainu or Reb Nussen complained that the tzaddikim of Rabbainu's day such as the Berditchever and the Baal HaTanya did not nullify themselves to him? If they knew who Rabbainu was, and I think they did, then how can they be considered tzaddikim amitiim and not a bechinah of MSS, c"v, if they promoted themselves above Rabbainu? Were there any super famous tzaddikim of the caliber of the two mentioned above that nullfied themselves to Rabbainu?
A:
Thought I addressed this in Likutay Nanach.
Even though Rabbainu referred to the Berdichever as the "Pe'er Hador" it was known in Breslov - and Saba says - if he would have been zoche he would have abnegated himself to Rabbainu as Rabbi Nussun.
Rabbainu said that the only tzadik that he saw "shlaimus" (perfection) by him was the R' Avrohom Kalisker - from Tiberias, who wanted to have the tanya put in geniza. The Kalisker had complete and utter respect for Rabbainu and there are stories related about this in the holy books. Whereas on the Baal Hatanya, Rabbainu referred to him as being a "Saar HuElef" master of 1000 souls, but he also strongly criticized him in the story of "רחמיך רבים ה".
There are stories of the Magid of Koznitz being mishamesh Rabbainu on his death day, and also there's a story of R' Naftoli Rupshitzer visiting Rabbainu - and there's supposedly a short mention of Rabbainu's Torah that he heard then in his book Zera Kodesh.
There's a book "Shivcho Shel Tzadik" that goes through all the famous rabbis trying to find Nekudos Tovos from all of them in how they upheld Rabbainu.
Q:
Thanks. I didn't get to
this part in Likutay Nanach yet. I wonder what could have prevented a tzaddik
like the Berditchever from being zoche? What prevented him from abnegating
himself? Maybe this question has no answer.
A:
1. Right, we don't know the nisyoanoas of others, especially of tzadikim.
2. Don't remember the exact source, maybe I bring it down, search for these words: שאע"פ שמוהר"ן אמר שהצדיק היחיד שהוא ראה שלימות אצלו הוא]
1. Right, we don't know the nisyoanoas of others, especially of tzadikim.
2. Don't remember the exact source, maybe I bring it down, search for these words: שאע"פ שמוהר"ן אמר שהצדיק היחיד שהוא ראה שלימות אצלו הוא]
Q:
Rabbainu said that the only tzadik that he saw
"shlaimus" (perfection) by him was the R' Avrohom Kalisker - is this
a sicha of Rabbainu?
A:
A:
Check Shivchay HuRan - Rabbainu's trip to Israel - at the
end of אות יח, you should find it there.
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